The idea behind this blog is to educate/help/enlighten and not to create controversy or to incite. The opinions and views expressed on this blog are purely personal. Please be soft in your language, respect Copyrights and provide credits/links wherever possible.The blog team indemnifies itself of any legal issues that may arise out of any information/ views posted by anyone on the blog. E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
Monday, November 23, 2009
A CROSS SECTION OF VIEW POINT - GOVT ANNOUNCEMENT ON OROP/NEAR PENSION PARITY ETC. IN JUL 09
Meeting a long-pending demand of over a crore defence veterans and 12 lakh serving jawans, the government substantially increased the pension of ex-servicemen. The new, revised pension would be implemented beginning this month, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee told the Lok Sabha while presenting the Budget for 2009-10.
In essence, the government has accepted the recommendation of the high-level committee headed by Cabinet Secretary Mr. K M Chandrasekhar that was set up in April to look into the defence pensioners’ demands. “Based on the recommendation of the committee headed by Cabinet Secretary on ‘One Rank-One Pension’ (OROP), the government has decided to substantially improve the pension of pre-January one, 2006 defence pensioners below officer rank and bring pre-October 10, 1997 pensioners on par with post- October 10, 1997 pensioners,” Mr.Mukherjee said.
It may be noted that the pre-January 1, 2006, pensioners were affected following implementation of the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations last October, while the pre- and post-October 10, 1997, pensioners were impacted by the Fifth Pay Commission recommendations. For long, organisations of ex-servicemen had been demanding that the disparity in pension to personnel holding the same rank and service record, but retiring at different points of time, be removed.The decision will benefit a large number of soldiers, especially those who retired before 1996.
Col Mohan said on Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 8:42 --While the announcement of improvement in pension to Personnel Below Offocers’ Rank (PBOR) is a welcome news, it is amazing that the FM has not made any mention how the disparity in case of the veteran officers would be tackled. Or is it that no attention has been given to this issue. Government needs to address the case of disparity in pension for all ranks in Defence Services if they have a sincere approach to the issue of OROP.
k nandakumaran said on Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 8:59 --At last the dream was fulfilled by showing green flag in current budget. Thank God …now to the politician gods also. we prey now to the disbursing
authority for speeding up.
Col Rajaraman said on Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 18:37-- It looks like it is the govt way of punishing veteran officers for siding with BJP during the recent election !!!! Nothing else can explain this deliberate ommission. But one day even this issue will have to be addressed. How soon, is anybody’s guess.
Col Rajaraman said on Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 18:58--Here are the verbatim extractS from the Budget Speech : Budget Proposal : One Rank One Pension for Ex-Servicemen (OROP)
1. “….. On the basis of these recommendations, the Government has decided to substantially improve the pension of pre 1.1.2006 defence pensioners below officer rank (PBOR) and bring pre 10.10.1997 pensioners on par with post 10.10.1997 pensioners.
2. Both these decisions will be implemented from 1st July 2009 resulting in enhanced pension for more than 12 lakh jawans and JCOs.
3. These measures will cost the exchequer more than Rs.2,100 crore annually.
Certain pension benefits being extended to war wounded and other disabled pensioners are also being liberalised.”
A small calculation -Annual Budget for this OROP Rs. 2100 Cr=Rs.2100 CrX100 =Rs.210000 Lac
Target beneficiary 12 lac jawans & JCOs ( as per FM), therefore, Average Per individual annual hike / benefit Rs. 210000 lac / 12,00,000 = 0.175 Lac. Average Monthly benefit per individual is Rs. 17500 /12 = Rs. 1458/- only. so what is the big deal and all the jubilation about ? how is it going to bridge the gap ? or is it that i am missing something or making some stupid calculation mistake.
dinesh said on Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 19:43--DON’T YOU THINK IT IS ONLY AN IMPROVEMENT(RATHER COMPENSATION) IN THE PENSION.I DON’T THINK IT IS ONE RANK ONE PENSION
Asit Kumar Bandyopadhyay said on Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 20:52--At last the Govt. of India has accepted the long-pending demand of the Ex-Servicemen, which is praise-worthy. Now let the Giovt. speed up the further process so that the outcome reaches the affected PBORs at the earliest.
IB Singh said on Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 15:52 --I have not understood what it means pre & post 97 retirees are also pre-2006 retirees, once Govt decided to enhance the pension of pre-97 automaticallyf pre-97 and post- 97 period is covered. I could not understood this double slab.
sunajan said on Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 19:57 --MACP is for civil employees. What about the ACP of PBOR in defence services. It seems that nobody is taking pain to implement new ACP scheme for PBOR.
Sgt Prakash said on Friday, July 10, 2009, 14:52 --It is reduction of difference in pension not bringing them at par, fourth pay commission and pre-fourth pay commission have been brought equal to fifth pay commission, NOT sixth pay commission, as post sixth pay commission difference in pension is very high, due to higher % , which is 70% of last drawn basic.
V.Prasad said on Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:28 --The Government has decided to substantially improve the pensions of Pre Jan 2006 for defence pensioners below PBOR based on the recommendations of committee headed by Cabinet Secretary. Request place the recommendations. Whether all the pensioners pre Jan 2006 will be brought at par with post Jan 2006 ?
Jwo MK Sharma (retd) said on Monday, July 13, 2009, 15:37 --Government has not made public the recommendations of High Level Committee. It only says it has accepted the recommendation of the commiittee and no one knows what the recommendations are? Those of you are curious to know your new pension scales; keep guessing. One thing for sure, it is no where near to OROP. If that was the case goverment would have made it public with BIG BANG. Happy Guessing!!!!
DEVINDER KOHLI said on Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 17:45 --I SAILED THE WILD WORLD OVER , NONE, MORE ATTRACTIVE I FOUND THAN GOOD OLD NAVY WHO DID NOT TAKE CARE, BECAUSE WE WERE TIED TO WAR TIME RULES.
Ex-JWO Jayanta Mukherjee said on Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 23:05 --Dear Sirs and my friends, As so far nobody knows how much we all will be benifited by lumpsum or monthly basis its better to wait and watch otherwise like pay commission arrier most of us thought at least we can go for a nano, but all in vain. Regards
k nandakumaran said on Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:51 --who says this is one rank one pension? must cut their tongue for making this type of false statements, rather making fools the retired soldiers.could say that some improvements have made to bring to the’ one rank one pension’ so that may fulfill the
dreams after 3-4 pay revisions.
V Balasubrahmannian, Master Chief Artificer I (Retd) said on Thursday, Jul 16, 09,1:38--Brethren ..,
It is very clear from the sentences of statement tabled in the parliament …It seems a mere pension parity of pre 2006 pensioners with post 2006 pensioners due to the implementation of 6th CPC..And a one time increment for pre 1996 pensioners to bring their pension near to later pensioners …This is a normal practice done after every CPC implementations ( amount may be different/increased..thats all..) Whereas OROP in priciple is very self explanatory and doesn’t require any such supporting explanations ….And it seems OROP in its spirit is still a dream for lakhs of ESMs…..Anyway, thanks Col Rajaraman sir for your tips… pensioners ….
S.Kumarasubramanian said on Thursday, July 16, 2009, 12:49--Dear Ex-Serviceman colleagues, As per finance minister’s statement total expenditure expected is Rs.210000000000.(2100crore per annum)
The total beneficiaries are 1200000(JCOs & PBORs). If the amount is equally divided then each will get a benefit of Rs.1,75,000/- per annum. Then it works out to Rs.14583/- p.m. per person. But the benefits will not be same for every one. It is going to vary from person to person. A Sepoy may get some benefit depends upon his present pension and his date of retirement and a Havildar may get another amount as per his present pension in relation to his date of retirement. I hope on an average people may get a minimum benefit of atleast Rs.2500/- p.m. more than what they are drawing at present. Especially those who are retired before 1996 are going to be the major beneficiaries. They may likely to get more than Rs.4000/- p.m.
Parameswaran MK said on Friday, July 17, 2009, 20:11 --The report was submitted to the Govt on 26 Jun 09 and the Finanace Minister allocated necessary funds for grant of OROP.Actual benefit granted to the affected personnel is still to be announced by the Govt even after lapsing a considerable time.The concerned authorities definitely might have calculated the amount to be granted to each every affected persons to arrive at the total amount to be included in the budgetory allocation.The delay in issuing the necessary instructions is,therefore, not understood.
M.SHANKAR RAO said on Friday, July 17, 2009, 22:57 --I AM A RETIRED MCHEAPII(50652) RETIRED IN 1970 (JULLY22) AND AM DRAWING MONTHLY PENSION OF 7500. I AM HAPPY THAT THE PRESENT GOVT. HAS DONE WONDERFUL GESTURE TO ALL PBOR. LET US WAIT AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE FOR THE AUTHORITIES TO GIVE DETAILS. ALL OF US ARE GROPING IN DARKNESS. IF WAITED FOR THATLONG TIME WE CAN WAIT FOR FEW MORE DAYS,WEEKS MONTHS
Colrajaraman said on Sunday, July 19, 2009, 20:41 --The much awaited announcement for the so called OROP for PBOR is still elusive. But strangely the govt in an undue haste has announced a new pay band for non HAG + Lt Gens and consequently their pensions that has resulted in a considerable hike. Let me hasten to add that I don’t grudge this hike. But if one dispassionately looks at this cruel game this Govt and the bureaucracy is playing on Def Forces, following things are crystal clear:
Firstly, when the majority of PBOR is awaiting and awaiting some announcement /issue of letter on OROP , Nothing seems to be happening on it. Does the govt think that a mere budget speech /RM statement in Parliament is good enough for PBOR. What is holding further action on the announcement particularly when they seem to have budgeted for it. Second, the initial announcement by the FM only talked of OROP ( whatever they mean by it) for PBOR. The RM in his announcement in the parliament has included officers also in it fooling the Public into believing that all officers have been included in the award of OROP. but it is not so. does this govt believe that only LT Gen are officers and others ranks in the officer cadre are not. Technically the RM may be right by saying that officers have also been included in the award announced by the govt. But what is the population of LT Gens in the Armed Forces . A miniscule less than 1%. The funniest things is Lt Gen have not even asked for it in the first place. Many of us do not know that this is a master stroke played by the bureaucracy through which they will extend and assure the same benefits to similarly placed large population of IAS senior officers . so this move for the LT Gen’s pay hike /pension hike is more intended to help IAS cadre than the Defence forces. The net result is PBORs should remain content with a mere announcement with no hopes of it materialising in the near future. A very small minority of Armed forces oficers will get this announced Hike. Almost 100% of IAScadre stand to benefit because they all raise to that level unlike in the armed forces. The other officers are left to suck their thumbs. It is a pity that our higly educated PM is not able to see the game plan of cabinet Secretary and his gang . The govt is happy having fooled the Uninformed general public into believing that OROP has been given to the entire Army across the Board.
what a governace !!!!
K Gopalakrishnan said on Thursday, July 23, 2009, 15:09 --dear ex faujis, I am mentioning this after read all comments on this web. No congress govt ever increase the pay of soldiers until unless by pressure from outside. Look the ministers who holds the key post. PM - he does not know what is fauji ut only knows world bank, former FM, he belongs from a ruler family and does not know about poor.
DM , he wants only to keep his post intact. present PM is only the one who knows something about our country .then the IAS cadres ,why we should worry about them. let them play their game .where our chiefs, why they could not resist such movements. no OROP for any one. rest u think yourself
wasudeo r said on Thursday, July 23, 2009, 23:52 --it is amazing how the government works. while revision of pension for personnel below officer rank was definitely need of the day, revision of pension in respect of ex service officers is of equal necessity. to day a major can not maintain living standard of a junior commissioned officer. govt is responsible to contain inflation. all vicims of inflation must be compensated adequately. it is amazing that govt talks of improving pensionary benefits under the heading of OROP. 100 percent nutralization of rise in cost of living has never been done by govt during past. no wonder army career is not attarcting good talent and there is TREMENDOUS SHORTAGE in officer cadre in the army.
wasudeo r said on Thursday, July 23, 2009, 23:59 --one rank one pension means all personnel below officer cadre and officers of defence forces must get equal pension irrespective of date of retirement. arbitrary increase in pension scales is unjust and unfair. pension should not be considered welfare measure rather a liability of government. it is sad that while govt plans pension for all senior citizens of the nation, retired service officers have to suffer injustice.
Parameswaran MK said on Monday, July 27, 2009, 22:02 --It is quite unclear why the concerned authorities are taking this much of delay to issue necessary instrucions for implementing the Govt decision as announced in the budget.Before making the necessary budgetory allocation,necessary home work should have been made and the actual benefit to each and every affected individuals might have been worked out. Desite of all these preparation, the concerned authorities are still holding the announcement , the reason of which is not understood.It is,therefore, requested to issue the instructions without further delay.
COL RAJARAMAN said on Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 20:23 --Kindly See my comments on 19 Jul 2009. This govt is working on a clear strategy. After the budget announcement , the RM announced in the parliament that officers are also getting the OROP. The whole lot of newspapers have published it and the general public opinion is that OROP in its true sense has been granted to Armed forces personnel. It is understood that a large number of Bill boards have come up in vantage points in delhi roads, showing photographs of sonia, manmohan and others and saying this Govt has given OROP in full . The ESM Chairman Gen Raj Kadiyan has already written a letter to Smt Sonia gandhi protesting against this. We should understand that these are nothing but false propaganda by this govt to make an impression that they are doing great things for the Armed forces when on ground there is practically nothing being done and when they protest the public will see Armed forces as one who constantly cribs and is never happy whatever the govt does for them. . kindly see the blogs reportmysignals and indian militaryinfo to get the true picture of what is going on. My feelings is there is nothing much in the announcement of OROP even for PBOR and god knows when it will come. and officers relax be happy with what you got. The damage has already been done.
Thomas PT said on Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:27 --Dear all, I wish to find out some of my entry mates(course mates) through this blog. Any Air Force guys who was in 3GTS during 1975 ..76 & 78 - 79 chaps Per No. stars with 632….. Any one with me in Military college of tlecommunicatuion Eng. Mhow OCB IAF 29, (I was the Best student), we can share the nostalgia. finally those worried about present pension after the orop itw really works out to be at an avg. 1458/- ex cipher do not miss zero’s, mail me at email@example.com and if anyone in and aroud Dubai call me 0501018604, from India 00971 50 1018604 Cheers, I really miss that OLD MONK evenings I spent in SNCOs mess for 13 years, gud day and cheers (kursiyams, praji version)
Lawange H.R, Ex MCAM II, IN said on Sunday, August 2, 2009, 20:45 --Dear Friends, The Finance Minister has given a long awaited nod to the demands of OROP. We are guessing and uncoding and waiting for it. Hope as always this is not sweetly coated capsule containing bitter dose. The country and citizens need to note that there were families who were representing by generations, in the forces. They are never ambitious of achiving unrealistic but enough to live in society with dignity and pride which itself is a lifeline for a JAWAN.
Ex JWO T A Shaji said on Monday, August 3, 2009, 18:13 --All government servents and pensioners have got some amount of mony as arrears after the declaration of 6th CPC except ex-servicemen retired after 1st Jan 2006. The poor ex- soldiers have neither received arrears nor have they any information on their entitlement. Is anyone listening………?
Lt. Col. A.P.E. Kutty (Retd) said on Friday, August 7, 2009, 7:41 --Dear All, It is rather surprising to note the claim of the Government as to the acceptance of the ONE-RANK ONE-PAY for the Armed Forces personnel below Officer”s rank. They only revised the Scale of Pay and Pension as per the revised 6CPC reccommendation and Government acceptance with some amendments of addition and substraction. It cannot be called acceptance and grant of OROP. The befooling of the Nation”s Armed Forces by Government machinary of beaurocrats, depriving the Armed Forces of its justifiable rights and emoluments has already affected the intake. The day is not far off when it is to become mandatory for every Indian citizen to compulsorily enrolled or recruited the Forces. Befor reaching that stage it is better to give them thrie due and status.
Sanjay Kaushik said on Saturday, August 8, 2009, 12:22 --Thanks to the forum of Ex Servicemen and our Honourable Chairmen Lt Gen Kadiyan That our long out standing demand has been met out.
Jas Ram Budakoti said on Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:48 --Dear Sir, I had retired wef 01 Jan 2005 as Subedar (Clerk).As per 6th CPC my pension fixed Rs 10532/pm and arrears for the same also credited (40%) in my personal account and rest of arrears may be credited on due course.May I request you to confirmed what is the effected dates of the OROP and credited to our account. May also request for a table like arrears of 6tth CPC published be available so that everyone could understand easily their entitlement. Once again thanks to Gen Kadiyan for projecting the OROP of ESM to the Govt.
jagtar singh said on Monday, August 10, 2009, 17:40 --To all my friends who joined armed forces during first national emergency declared during chinese aggression in 1962 and got early discharge from service and joined other civil services and got counted the armed service for pension /other benefits either through office of the employer or through high court ( other than Punjab state) .Can any one help me with courts orders/ orders from Govt of India. I joined the IAF on 1966 during emergency and got discharge in 1981 could get chance to join All India Radio in 1985 retired on supernuation in 2008 . During my service in AIR I had been asking my office to count the service but denied on the basis NOT FEASIBLE. It has come to my notice that there is some orders for the same .kindly help me with some rule/orders. Thanks Jagtar Singh Ex CPL
jagtar singh said on Friday, August 14, 2009, 18:01 --Dear brothers, We all are worried about the benefits of ONE RANK ONE PENSION but this has created a differnt catagories among us.We are just dicussing the facts and not trying to catch hold the actual wrong/mistake done by the report.I think we all shall get together and under the command of Prersident of our union at Delhi & we should approach the Sup.Court and get the mistake rectified without any further delay. Thanks.
Sub Maj Ajit Singh Retired said on Friday, August 21, 2009, 15:06 --Though Govt have accepted the recommendation and announced in The Parliament and on the Independence Day to give the benefit to the defence pensioner who retired before 01 Jan 2006, but no notification has been issued to implement it. I hope keeping in view the grieveiance of pensioners, Govt vill issue necessary innstruction to the paying authorities to to implement it without any further delay. I also hope all beneficiary may draw their dues before Diwali.
Dr.C.V.Krishnaiah said on Friday, August 21, 2009, 21:21 --Dear friends, I too searched all websites for details in vain. Only Government of India should release the details to media. Then we will come to know. It is true for implementation, budget has to be passsed by parliament, since passed. The Govt. can make the details public. Or Our Ex. Servicemen Association can ask through RTI channel. Pending receipt of details, On plain reading it is to be understood “One Rank One pension” means : “Since in Defence the rank is stamped on a person for his life ” It is to be understood, irrespective of the date of retiremnet, groups, and trades all personnel in that Rank will get the same basic pension. (Now the question for debate is :- Whether length of service to be taken into account or not? I opine it should not be? All corresponding Ranks in all three Services are entitled for the same pension. Then rankwise pension will differ. I feel in addition to PBORs, equity of justice demands all officers are to be made eligible.
Sub Maj Ajit Singh Rahi said on Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 16:46 --Thanks to the forum of Ex Servicemen and our Honourable Chairmen Lt Gen Kadiyan That our long out standing demand has been met out. I also wish to submit that the pre 1997, post 1997 and 1.1.2006 these dates are very confusing . Please lets know details about OROP so that one could come to about his revised pension and able to check up the accuracy of PDA. May I also request to intimate likely date of issueing Gezett Notification to implement one rank one pension. Thanks.
Ex-Sgt OP Maharshi said on Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 22:11 --I am EX-Sgt OP Maharshi and We, the Ex-Air Warriors are Happy to find our voice in the ears of Govt of India and get it approved. lastly Govt Agreed to take care of the people who cared of mother land. May I know my pension. I retired on 30 Jun 2003 after 20 years of service in Indian Air Force.
Hari Singh said on Saturday, August 29, 2009, 18:08 --It is a Very good Decision taken by UPA Govt,Initiated by FM Shree Parnav Dada.it was a wonderful News for Specialy for Rank of Sepoy to Havildar and ir- respective for Navy and Air Force ranks. on the one Rank One Pension in the Month of July to Celeberate forthcoming Dusera and Festival Vacation. But the things are Very Close,When the Finance Ministry is giong to Release the Order to Pay at Par for New Penssion Aided With Modified Pension along with DA from 1st July.Govt Should Consider the Minimum Pension Double ,Camparing to Compalsury Wages granted for Daily Wages to Mazdoor.
Hari Singh said on Saturday, August 29, 2009, 18:18--There is a too Much Varriation in the Pension of Petty officer and Chief Petty officer retiring at the same period after putting Equal period.it shall not be considering by the view order of sister services, It is Very hard to Surview at High Sea as the Petty officer is A BACK BONE of War Ship.
Ex Sgt Amar Singh Verma said on Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:04 --Dear Sir, It is almost good news ,that one rank one pension battle has been won but it will be true when we all will get our new pension, best regards to all exs.
jayvant walawalkar said on Monday, August 31, 2009, 21:33 --Respected Sirs, This is not welfare meeting. This is public platform, every INDIAN other than defence persons reads this, have some discpline. please do not fight on OROP or salary etc. Let us work for better INDIA, then we will get everything what we want. JAI HIND.
Lt Col Yogesh Sharma said on Sunday, September 6, 2009, 12:37 --Apropos comments of Col Rajaraman on Sunday, July 19, 2009 (20:41). It is surprising that the Defence Services Chiefs have kept mum on the confusion created by the statements of the Hon Prime Minister at Red Fort, of the Defence Minister and the Finance Minister in Parliament. The Defence Minister announced in the Parliament OROP for all ranks including officers. The Finance Minister announced in the same parliament ” the government has decided to substantially improve the pension of pre-January one, 2006 defence pensioners below officer rank and bring pre-October 10, 1997 pensioners on par with post- October 10, 1997 pensioners”,which by no stretch of imagination is OROP. The Prime Minister while addressing the nation from the Red Fort announced OROP for JCOs and OR. One Rank One Pension means that an ex-serviceman of a particular rank, who retired before 01 Jan 06, will draw the same pension as a person of that rank draws who retires after 01 Jan 06. Why is there a difference on this point among the Prime Minister and Finance Minister? Are they working at cross purposes? Or is it that one does not know what the other is saying? Or is it that they both do not know what they are talking about, and the babus are making a spectactle out of them both? The difference between the statements of Defence Minister and Finance Minister in Parliament is not only a cause of concern to the country as the one is contradicting the other, as both are misleading the country, and perhaps it may also involve the question of misleading the Parliament, which is serious matter. The contradiction between the Defence Minister’s statement in Parliament and the Prime Minister’s statement from Red Fort regarding the OROP for officers is also a serious matter. Then there is the case of the OROP for the officers of the rank of LT Gen. What about the other officers? Are they not important in the conduct of war and hence the defence of the country, or does the Govt of the day have less faith in their patriotism? No one knows who is saying what or who is meaning what by whatever statements they are making. To a lay person it would appear to be a case of confusion confounded. Does it typify our national character? Look at what the official statement issued at Sharm Al Sheik mentions in writing, and what our Honourable Prime Minister has been saying inside the country - in Parliament and in public. Is he confused or was he misled by his assistance, specially the Babus, because one would not expect much from the Honourable Foreign Minister? Take the case of our nuclear capability. Who is saying what about whom at what time? They all are talking whatever they comes in their mouth without taking into the consideration the vital interests of the defence of this country. The only beneficiary in this game are the enemies of this India. Does we have a strong contingent of fifth columnists in our midst, who are hell bent on lowering the morale of the armed forces, weakening the faith of the people in the Govt, destroying the confidence of the general population? If that be so we can only pray to our Gods to save our country! This a time when we need Generals like Thimaya, Carriapa, Candeth and Bhagat. It is sad that the successive Indian governments have dangled the carrot of post retirement benefits to our generals thus sapping their moral fibre and lowering their commitment to the men they command or those who preceded them.Fine.
ex sgt hs bhati said on Monday, September 7, 2009, 20:06 --one rank one pension is a very old demand of all ex service men. had it been a demand of MPs or MLAs it would have been long back fulfilled.it shows how well they r concerned about us. now that upa govt has announced that they r going to fulfil this demand i still doubt their sincerity, there is not going to b much difference
cp singh said on Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 17:49 --Dear sir, I feel & undersatnd that all exserviceman / retired defence personnel became a overburdon to the Government for paying pension to them like some fool childern think overburden about their old aged parents. What mistakes has been done by the seniors ( old pensioners who are pre 10 Oct 97 ) were kept at lowest scale. Who has suggested may be from very rich back ground or some time i dought how they became a seniors babu and sit in commetee if they could not understand ground level difficulties. Dear sir, i am sorry & compelled to write that if you all ( commetee members) could have been in place of suffering person ,Think what will be your condition ?. Most of ex serviceman could not build their house as grownup children & their marriage problem. A retired ex service man having 1 or 2 daughters are in marrigeable age 22 & 20 yrs. Did you think grownup daughrer’s father can sleep at night who retired before 10 Oct 97. What even money he got at that time of retirement he is utilising his children education or to run kitchen etc. Because he is jobless and getting very low pension. How he can buy a house/ build up . Pl think all of you & give your comments. —Regards cp singh
RAJEEV SUNDAR, EX-SGT said on Thursday, September 10, 2009, 19:14 --Dear friends, If OROP is implemented, will our pension keep increasing as per the latest pensioner who got the benefit of 6th pay commission ? And please tell me, from which web site I can get the details of this OROP. Regards
JP Nambiar said on Sunday, September 13, 2009, 16:02 --Dear Faujis, The One Rank One Pension annnoused in the last budget speech itself is an eye wash and an insult to the ex and serving defence force personnel. As long as ex servicemen’s are not paid equivalent to the prevailing 06th pay commission pay scale the dream of one rank one pension will remain a dream for ever. Government’s intention is to please the PBOR s with peanuts and take the full credit of implementing the so called one rank one pension. Neither the general public nor the media understands the financial benefits of one rank one pension to the ex servicemen community. We also should protest against the way it was put in parliament the so called budget announcement speech using words for which our bureaucrats’ are very clever and also it misleads the general public. Of corse it will be an improvement for the PBORs from the present pension but not going to make any “substantial” differences as it was put in the parliament. The clever bureaucrats’ who wrote those lines are the culprits. What was the intention of avoiding the ex officers? Why it has avoided the ex officers? Are we all from the same family irrespective of rank? Are we all ex servicemen? Then why only to PBORS? This is politics divide and rule!!
As British did with us our own government is also playing politics with its Ex SOLDIERS. I retired from Indian Navy Aviation branch as a Chief Petty Officer on 1994 December with sixteen years of service and get 6100/ monthly pension. On enquiry with other recently retired ex Navy chiefs, I found they take 14000/ monthly pension. Good for them!! Can I say Iam ashamed the way our Government treats me or can I say it was a wrong decision to join the Service? I do not know. All are worried of themselves including the Chiefs of 03 services and other senior defence serving officers who are not coming to protest such disparities. Iam happy to see the 06th pay commission makes defence service career very attractive for the youth of present day India. Jai Jawan.
swadesh said on Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:43 --hey i m ex sgt and just went through all comments in fact no one know what our FM declared and what we will get ie pre and post pensioners no worry every body will be given nothing except mayushi be cheerful ya what ever govt give its only for babus
X SGT JN CHRISTIAN said on Thursday, October 1, 2009, 21:33 --hey all pl visit the site http://www.exsainikswelfare.blogspot.com/ for the latest.to day rm has announced about payment of orop arrears before diwali. let us c wether so called orop will c the light of day. recently there was a press conference addressed by president iecl punjad & chandigarh vet prabhjot singhji .it was n ultimatum to govt to immediately release the benefits due to jawans like orop, 70%,and others.
M.A.Thomas said on Saturday, October 3, 2009, 22:26 --I understand all retired IAS / IPS officers and Judges are already getting one rank one pension.If the Govt of India is keen to do justice to the Armed Forces personnel, the Govt should apply the same yardstick , at least,about the date from which OROP is to be implemented and cancel all decisions about pre and post 2006 or 1997. And What happened about the 50% Military Special pay that was to be added to the pension from October 2008 ?
X SGT JN CHRISTIAN said on Friday, October 9, 2009, 21:26 --@ manoj pl visit
http://www.exsainikswelfare.blogspot.com/ u will get the answer.
T. Subrahmanyam ex-SGT of IAF said on Saturday, October 10, 2009, 10:33 --Please also keep me informed of the updatres of one rank one pension details. I had served the Indian Air Force for twenty years. I got discharge from IAF on 31st March,1988. I was Substantive Sergeant of Clk GD trade. Last unit served is AFRO, New Delhi. I wrote to Air Force ..Record Office (NERW). They promised me for an early and prompt reply but so far I have not received any information in this regard. My e-mail is
firstname.lastname@example.org and cell No.9493106964 . I am residing at Rajahmundry, East Godavari District of Andhra Pradesh.
SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR said on Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:04 --DEAR READERS,
PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN INDIA NOTHING WILL HAPPEN OTHER THAN WELFARE OF CIVIL SERVICES OFFICERS(IAS,IPS,IRS,IES,IFS ETC ETC) AND DEFENCE FORCES OFFICERS AND UNGRADING JUNIOR RANKS AND PERSONNEL BELOW OFFICER RANKS OF INDIAN ARMED FORCES DAY BY DAY AS THESE OFFICERS DO NOT HAVE ANY TIME TO SEE THE REAL PROBLEMS OF JUNIORS/PBORS. DURING ANY IMPORTANT EVENTS SUCH AS PAY COMMISSIONS, PROMOTIONS, OR ANY OTHER WELFARE CONCERNED FROM GOVERNMENT THESE OFFICERS ELABORATING THEIR(OFFICERS) DUTIES AND MINIMIZING(MAXIMUM MINIMIZE) OF THE DUTIES OF JUNIORS/PBORS IN SUCH A WAY TO MAKE GOVERNMENT TO FEEL AND CHEATING AND TRY TO GET MOR BENEFITS FOR OFFICERS AND ALL BLAMES TO JUNIORS/PBORS.
NOW I REQUEST ALL JUNIORS/PBORS FIGHT AGAINST THESE OFFICERS TO GET SOME BENEFITS AND LITTLE MORE PAY AND PERKS, IF NOT INTERESTED TO FIGHT THEN GO AND DIE WITH DEGRADING YOUR SELF DAY BY DAY BY THE OFFICERS/POLITICIANS. I ALSO REQUEST ALL JUNIOR/PBORS OTHER THAN OFFICERS CATEGORY TO FIGHT AGAINST OFFICERS AND POLITICIANS FOR BETTERMENT OF COUNTRY OTHER WISE OUR COUNTRY WILL GO DOWN DUE TO POVERY AND OTHER UNNATURAL EVENTS LIKE STARVATION FOR MAXIMUM PEOPLE, SUICIDES BY POOR PEOPLE ETC.
I ALSO HEREBY DECLARE THAT I AM HATING MY COUNTRY IN SUCH A WAY AND TRY TO LEAVE INDIA DUE TO THE WORK OF POLITICIANS AND OFFICERS. THANKING YOU, SREE KUMAR KK
PALANI said on Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:33 --Hi All, Why are we wasting our time by crying about one rank one pension? It will never happen. Our armed forces are for Officers and rest as someone has put here are slaves. All benefits are only meant for Officers and rest are just to serve them.Officers lead a luxurious life by getting free ration which can be eaten by 05 soldiers!! Has any one thought of this? All human beings calorie requirement is same and how can this differ with Indian Armed forces officers? Many of them sell it in black market!!Shame on them. Selfish to the core these people will not do anything for the PBOR. Officers of Indian Armed forces need to think about this.
Ex-Sgt OP Maharshi said on Saturday, October 17, 2009, 7:56 --Everything is declared and said by PM and Finance Ministered but what is truth?Truth is that till now , Not a single rupee is given till date. Can some one tell us what is the current salary of Ex Sgt of X group served 20 Years in IAF.
Murugan Navy said on Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 8:43 --US Government delcares that some of the companies dealing in Defence contract has been paying huge bribes to Navy Officials. I want GOI to investigate all Ex Navy officers assets and savings and also serving officers. They have looted the country and cheated poor Indian Navy Sailors by providing inferior materials and equipments. All Officers lead a luxurious life without any work and on top they make Millions of dollar by bribe. If this is from USA think of bribes going from Indian Companies to Officers. It is high time we start a joint effort to find the sources of saving and money, asssets of Navy Officers. The swiss govermnent has accepted to show the accounts of Indians black money stashed in Swiss Banks and I request the GOI to start with the ex defence officers name.
Anand Raj said on Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 22:25--new formula may be like this((Max Basic in the rank)*1.86(+grade pay+Msp+XgradePay))*(no of years service+5)/66Eg if one has retired as MCPOII in navy no of years 15 then((9720*1.86)+4600+2000+1400)*(15+5)/66=26080*20/66=7903/-latest pension may be(7910+27%DA)-cummutaion=8695difference 8695-6848=1847/-A rise of approx rs 1850/-my email email@example.com
Ex Sub J c Sekharam said on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 13:59 --Our great Senior officers & other related manpower who fought & achieved the positive result of sanctioning ONE RANK ONE PENSION for exservicemen is like a godgift. Now I request them to bless this to efective exservicemen as soon as possible by conveying our great Prime Minister,Defence & Finance Ministers so that the very old personnels at thier last days may enjoy instead of some other will enjoy.
SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR said on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 19:36 --DEAR READERS,
IN INDIA NOTHING WILL HAPPEN OTHER THAN WELFARE OF OFFICERS FROM CIVIL ADMINISTRATION & DEFENCE FORCES OFFICERS AND DOWNGRADING PBORS OF ARMED FORCES AND JUNIORS OF CIVIL ADMINISTRATION DAY BY DAY. NOTHING WILL EXPECT FROM THESE OFFICERS AND POLITICIANS. THANKS
M K Kothari said on Thursday, October 22, 2009, 15:53 --Dear fellow PBORs, Enough bedate has been made on this site. The officers are/were always better placed and way ahead of PBOR, they have better avenues for their resettlements. One rank one pension may hardly matters to them. What remains to be seen is that a considerable time has since been elapsed, however nothing has been herad as to what exact benefit made in announcing equal pension on equal ranks. The details are still not forthcoming. Should some one elabrote.
PV Soman,Ex-Master-at-arms,navy said on Thursday, October 22, 2009, 20:55 --I request the primeminister Mr.Manmohan singh to look into the grievences aired by the people ,who had rendered their youthful life to the nation to safe guard her people, including the idot politicians, who have no commitment towards the nation or its people. Keeping the ex-servicemen dissatisfied is not a good sign for the country as the personnel in the armed forces of today ,are also watching the neglect shown towards their ex-community,and may would affect in their morale,which may lead to serious circumstances later. There for ,being respectable to everyone in the country and not being a cheating charactor like every dirty politicians, I humbly request Mr. Manmohaji to implement the one rank one pension at the earliest opportunity itself for which the entire ex-service personnel would be grateful to you.We all have lost the faith in the present pesident ,to whom ,precious medals were handed over in protest,a few months ago. thank you,
Ex-sgt Sukamal Sengupta said on Thursday, November 5, 2009, 21:31 --Hi, I am Ex-Sgt Sukamal Sengupta , Radio/Tech-113,114 guys or conversion R/F-154,155 batch or footballer of airforce please contact me on this blog or email address firstname.lastname@example.org to cherish our good old days at Bangalore. And also enlighten me about orop. I also find in this blog that those officers who never care for welfare of PBOR during their in service are airing their grievences for orop. Let us take it the way it comes .
Vijayan Pillai (Ex Sub Maj) said on Saturday, November 7, 2009, 16:24 --Sirs, one rank one pension is defined in many ways according to their of eyes. The orders for OROP is not issued by the Govt yet but some roamers were given wide publicity which may be right or wrong. As per this for calculation of OROP they have given some high lights. They have given weightage 13 years for Sep/AC/Sea Man, 11 years for Nks/Cpl/LSM, 9 years for Hav/Sgt/PO and 5 years for JCOs/Warrant ranks/CPOs. Pension will be 70% for Hav and 50% for JCOs. For calcutation of pension the average of minimum and maximum pay scales of the rank is taken. Hence the calculation comes as under :-
Average of min and max pay of the rank/ (70% or 50%)*(No of years served+weigtage of the rank)/33. The total service plus the weightage should not exceed 33 which is the maximum for all/any ranks. for eg, A Sgt put on 20 years will get basic pension 11640+25000/2*29/33 ie. 12830×29 / 33 = 11275 (basic pension as on 01.07.2009) is very much higher than he is drawing now. However the firm orders are still awaited.
Tirath said on Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 20:50 --Hello friends. I am Ex-JWO of Group I (Radio/Fitter) Air Force (WO 77 and WM 122) any of my entry mates? I request to have patience and wait for the circular from CDA in respect of OROP announced by Finace Minister, Defence Minister and thje Prime Minister from the rampoarts ofed Fort of Independenc Day. Govt. cannot go back on this issue. As you have wated for so ong please have little more. I request you to kindly avoid using filthy language and insted share your good views through this channel and have friendship. Thanks and regards to all the vetrans.